NFL Draft 2023 (Non) Grades

NFL Draft 2023 (Non) Grades Mike Tanier 01 May 2023, 09:20am The 2023 NFL Draft Performance Assessments have arrived! And what have we learned? The Pittsburgh Steelers had an awesome weekend. Bill Belichick did Bill Belichick stuff. The Philadelphia Eagles broke the multiverse. Or at least the Georgiaverse. Dan Campbell did Dan Campbell stuff. Will Levis fell out of the first-round frying pan and into the Tennessee Titans fire. The Indianapolis Colts and Chicago Bears earned rare Walkthrough praise. The Atlanta Falcons did not. A reminder: these are performance assessments, not "grades." Draft grades are silly clickbait. This grade-like substance is actually pure science, just like a "cognitive test" administered on an old Nintendo 64 by certified experts in neuropigskin scientific marketing. Sometimes recent trades like the Aaron Rodgers deal count. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes they count for one of the trade partners but not the other. It doesn't matter. You already stopped reading the intro and scrolled to your team. Wise choice. Let's get on with it. AFC East Buffalo Bills Improved Roster: B Used Resources Well: C Met Needs: B-FINAL PPA: B- Dalton Kincaid represents an athletic upgrade over Dawson Knox and should beef up the 12 package this year. O'Cyrus Torrence is an excellent second-round value. Both can help the Bills optimize an offense that appeared to max out at "good enough" at a few positions last year. Dorian Williams is an undersized try-hard defender. Justin Shorter is an ironically named king-sized receiver who runs lumbering routes. Both look more like core special teamers than defensive/offensive contributors on a Super Bowl short-lister. Shorter might be a useful interference blocker on receiver screens, but Ken Dorsey doesn't like receiver screens. This draft class lacks the masterstroke move that Bills Mafia probably wanted and the Bills themselves probably need: a trade up for a missing-piece playmaker, a DeAndre Hopkins deal, whatever. The Bengals and Chiefs didn't do much wheeling and dealing either. But they are the teams the Bills are trying to catch. That means the Bills should have been willing to take some extra risks and bigger swings. Miami Dolphins Improved Roster: B Used Resources Well: B- Met Needs: C+FINAL PPA: B- Count the Jalen Ramsey trade and the grades would have been more like Improved Roster: A Used Resources Well: A+ Met Needs: B+FINAL PPA: A Cam Smith has Pro Bowl upside if he can learn to keep his hands off receivers. Devon Achane is a Nyheim Hynes type who could solve the Dolphins' punt/kick return issues. Elijah Higgins is more or less Mike Gesicki reimagined as a slot receiver (that's not an endorsement). Some reinforcements on the offensive line and the edge (where there is zero depth) would have been swell. But the Dolphins lacked a first-round pick yet added an All-Pro cornerback in a sheriff's auction trade, so let's not sweat the details too much. New England Patriots Improved Roster: B+ Used Resources Well: B Met Needs: D-FINAL PPA: C- Christian Gonzalez will be another J.C. Jackson or Stephon Gilmore, and the Patriots traded down for extra capital before landing him. Keion White is another Deatrich Wise type and a true Belichick scheme/culture fit. Seriously: the fellow already looks miserable! Then we get to the kickers, punters, and self-indulgent noodling. The quintessential Patriots draft pick these days is a lad with an unusual name from a college better known for producing creative writing professors than football players. Less than 1% of the draft media actually scouted this theoretical prospect, but all of us whipped up a pre-draft dossier om him based on a highlight video and some Shrine Bowl scuttlebutt, specifically so we can all say things like, "Oooh I loved edge rusher/fullback Gabba Booboogagaganesh coming out of Oral Hygiene University. Bill Belichick is SUCH a genius." Yes, Belichick gets some benefit of the doubt on such players. But you may have noticed that Mac Jones is mediocre at best and that the Patriots receiver corps is, frankly, embarrassing. They needed more than Kayshon Boutte (vaporware) and Demario Douglas (the Malik Willis of slot receivers). They could have loaded up on the Josh Downs/Tyler Scott/Charlie Jones type receivers who slipped, thrown in a tight end who can block, and built a YAC machine for Jones starting in the third round. Instead, they goofed around with kickers and beefed up the interior line with small-school sleepers to compete with last year's small-school interior-line sleepers. Hence the "D-" for meeting needs. The Patriots went out of their way to avoid meeting needs. This draft is just going to make the 2020s Patriots more like themselves, capable of hanging around the wild-card chase each year by beating bad teams by 16-13 final scores. And that score assumes this kicker pans out. New York Jets Improved Roster: A Used Resources Well: D Met Needs: B+FINAL PPA:

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NFL Draft 2023 (Non) Grades
NFL Draft 2023 (Non) Grades Mike Tanier 01 May 2023, 09:20am
Philadelphia Eagles DL Jalen Carter

The 2023 NFL Draft Performance Assessments have arrived! And what have we learned?

  • The Pittsburgh Steelers had an awesome weekend.
  • Bill Belichick did Bill Belichick stuff.
  • The Philadelphia Eagles broke the multiverse. Or at least the Georgiaverse.
  • Dan Campbell did Dan Campbell stuff.
  • Will Levis fell out of the first-round frying pan and into the Tennessee Titans fire.
  • The Indianapolis Colts and Chicago Bears earned rare Walkthrough praise.
  • The Atlanta Falcons did not.

A reminder: these are performance assessments, not "grades." Draft grades are silly clickbait. This grade-like substance is actually pure science, just like a "cognitive test" administered on an old Nintendo 64 by certified experts in neuropigskin scientific marketing.

Sometimes recent trades like the Aaron Rodgers deal count. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes they count for one of the trade partners but not the other. It doesn't matter. You already stopped reading the intro and scrolled to your team. Wise choice. Let's get on with it.

AFC East

Buffalo Bills

Improved Roster: B
Used Resources Well: C
Met Needs: B-
FINAL PPA: B-

Dalton Kincaid represents an athletic upgrade over Dawson Knox and should beef up the 12 package this year. O'Cyrus Torrence is an excellent second-round value. Both can help the Bills optimize an offense that appeared to max out at "good enough" at a few positions last year.

Dorian Williams is an undersized try-hard defender. Justin Shorter is an ironically named king-sized receiver who runs lumbering routes. Both look more like core special teamers than defensive/offensive contributors on a Super Bowl short-lister. Shorter might be a useful interference blocker on receiver screens, but Ken Dorsey doesn't like receiver screens.

This draft class lacks the masterstroke move that Bills Mafia probably wanted and the Bills themselves probably need: a trade up for a missing-piece playmaker, a DeAndre Hopkins deal, whatever.

The Bengals and Chiefs didn't do much wheeling and dealing either. But they are the teams the Bills are trying to catch. That means the Bills should have been willing to take some extra risks and bigger swings.

Miami Dolphins

Improved Roster: B
Used Resources Well: B-
Met Needs: C+
FINAL PPA: B-

Count the Jalen Ramsey trade and the grades would have been more like

Improved Roster: A
Used Resources Well: A+
Met Needs: B+
FINAL PPA: A

Cam Smith has Pro Bowl upside if he can learn to keep his hands off receivers. Devon Achane is a Nyheim Hynes type who could solve the Dolphins' punt/kick return issues. Elijah Higgins is more or less Mike Gesicki reimagined as a slot receiver (that's not an endorsement).

Some reinforcements on the offensive line and the edge (where there is zero depth) would have been swell. But the Dolphins lacked a first-round pick yet added an All-Pro cornerback in a sheriff's auction trade, so let's not sweat the details too much.

New England Patriots

Improved Roster: B+
Used Resources Well: B
Met Needs: D-
FINAL PPA: C-

Christian Gonzalez will be another J.C. Jackson or Stephon Gilmore, and the Patriots traded down for extra capital before landing him. Keion White is another Deatrich Wise type and a true Belichick scheme/culture fit. Seriously: the fellow already looks miserable!

Then we get to the kickers, punters, and self-indulgent noodling.

The quintessential Patriots draft pick these days is a lad with an unusual name from a college better known for producing creative writing professors than football players. Less than 1% of the draft media actually scouted this theoretical prospect, but all of us whipped up a pre-draft dossier om him based on a highlight video and some Shrine Bowl scuttlebutt, specifically so we can all say things like, "Oooh I loved edge rusher/fullback Gabba Booboogagaganesh coming out of Oral Hygiene University. Bill Belichick is SUCH a genius."

Yes, Belichick gets some benefit of the doubt on such players. But you may have noticed that Mac Jones is mediocre at best and that the Patriots receiver corps is, frankly, embarrassing. They needed more than Kayshon Boutte (vaporware) and Demario Douglas (the Malik Willis of slot receivers). They could have loaded up on the Josh Downs/Tyler Scott/Charlie Jones type receivers who slipped, thrown in a tight end who can block, and built a YAC machine for Jones starting in the third round. Instead, they goofed around with kickers and beefed up the interior line with small-school sleepers to compete with last year's small-school interior-line sleepers.

Hence the "D-" for meeting needs. The Patriots went out of their way to avoid meeting needs. This draft is just going to make the 2020s Patriots more like themselves, capable of hanging around the wild-card chase each year by beating bad teams by 16-13 final scores. And that score assumes this kicker pans out.

New York Jets

Improved Roster: A
Used Resources Well: D
Met Needs: B+
FINAL PPA: B-

In an effort to not enrage Jets fans any more than necessary, the Aaron Rodgers trade was included in these grades. Hence the "A" (they got a let's-say top-12 quarterback) and the "B+" for filling their most pressing need.

The "D" for resources comes not just from giving up a lot for Rodgers—I don't think they got snookered, but I don't want to hear anyone lecture me about "leverage" on the Internet again—but from sitting still when the Steelers leap-frogged them for Broderick Jones. Local guy Carter Warren feels like a consolation prize at tackle, while Israel Abanikanda is more of a fantasy-community binkie and Look Aaron: skill-position talent! selection than someone who will really help the Jets.

Will McDonald IV has intriguing tools on the edge. Joe Tippmann fills a need. And it's great to finally be able to get on with our lives after the Rodgers trade. But the Jets drafted like they had a lump in their throats because they were afraid to make a mistake. They should get used to that feeling.

AFC North

Baltimore Ravens

Improved Roster: B+
Used Resources Well: B
Met Needs: C
FINAL PPA: B

Zay Flowers became crystal clickmeth this draft season. Homer fans and bloggers around the NFL watched the same 10-play Flowers sizzle reel over and over until they were certain he was Tyreek Hill 2.0. He may be, but he's much more likely to be Mecole Hardman 2.0, or something in the wide range in between.

Granted, Flowers made a fine gift for the Lamar Jackson renewal-of-vows ceremony. But Hollywood Brown was a better prospect.

Trenton Simpson is a speedy linebacker who should never leave the field, and Tavius Robinson is big and rugged, has some pass-rush moves, and makes a lot of hustle plays. Kyu Blu Kelly was impressive in Mobile. As Daniel Jeremiah (I think) said on air: they all look like Ravens picks, as does Flowers. Maybe I have just gotten used to the Ravens coming away from draft weekend with a dozen of these guys because of compensatory picks and fourth-round hoarding.

Cincinnati Bengals

Improved Roster: A
Used Resources Well: B
Met Needs: B-
FINAL PPA: B+

Confession time: I thought Charlie Jones wasn't entering the draft until 2024. I thought that was the case for far too long. Like, until two weeks ago. I took preliminary notes on him while scouting Aidan O'Connell and Payne Durham and was like, "interesting smol-but-plays-big, finds-a-way receiver; better keep tabs on him." Whoops!

Jones does not exactly fill a need, but the Bengals won't need to worry about injuries at receiver, and good luck covering him with a linebacker on third-and-6.

Chase Brown is on my radar as a stealth Rookie of the Year candidate. Joe Mixon has legal issues and has lost some burst; Brown is a no-nonsense rusher with burst and receiving chops. Yes, he's an older prospect; I want to win a prop bet, not marry him (though he's a swell lad!). I could not find Brown odds on Sunday, even at sportsbooks offering action on Evan Null and Zach Kuntz. The house knows I am a dangerous sharp!

DJ Turner was an outstanding second-round value: faster than the Turnpike at midnight, good technique, great physicality. Myles Murphy and Jordan Battle are fine, with Battle taking over for Jessie Bates. Some offensive line reinforcements, a tight end, or some inspired early move would have earned the Bengals an A.

Cleveland Browns

Improved Roster: B+
Used Resources Well: B
Met Needs: B+
FINAL PPA: B+

Take it away, friend-of-Walkthrough Jared Mueller!

I am a Siaki Ika stan, and he fills the Browns' need for sheer ballast. Dawand Jones can be an NFL starter; in the short term, the Browns could have a really nasty short-yardage six-lineman package. Luke Wypler was very high on my board; center depth can stave off a crisis. Dorian Thompson-Robinson's selection reflects that the Browns need to spend as little money as possible backing up Deshaun Watson.

Cedric Tillman is the key to this draft. The banged-up 2022 version of Tillman would have barely been worth drafting. The 2021 version could be the versatile WR2 the Browns desperately need. I would have nabbed a falling Josh Downs or Jalin Hyatt (Tillman's teammate at Tennessee) instead; both have higher upside, especially for a team that already has a go-to receiver, and much lower risk. Still, the Browns accomplished quite a bit with the draft capital they possessed.

Pittsburgh Steelers

Improved Roster: A+
Used Resources Well: A
Met Needs: A
FINAL PPA: A

Darnell Washington apparently has a bad foot. Like, a really bad foot. Frankly, his foot could have fallen off in the National Championship Game—perhaps it came loose as he was stomping over some TCU defender—and he still would be an outstanding value at 93rd overall.

Washington won't get many touches, but he will be a matchup migraine in 12 packages and a blocking nightmare in both the running and screen games.

The Joey Porter Jr. slide was semi-predictable. The dude jams like he's in an Allman Brothers tribute band: very well but far too long. He doesn't look like a natural fit in the Steelers secondary, but he's as athletically impressive as a cornerback can be, and of course the Steelers could not have found a better "culture" fit unless they drafted Franco Greene HamLambert IV.

I fell in lurve with Keeanu Benton in Mobile and never fell out. Broderick Jones doesn't meet a critical need—Dan Moore got the job done last year—but that makes him an excellent pick. Adding Nick Herbig in the fourth round was just showing off.

The Steelers, as usual, are building at their own pace instead of panicking. They still have questions—the team and the fan base are more sold on Kenny Pickett than outside observers are—but they always look like a franchise that knows exactly what it's doing on draft weekend.

AFC South

Houston Texans

Improved Roster: A+
Used Resources Well: D+
Met Needs: A+
FINAL PPA: B+

The Texans are the sort of team that our draft assessment rubric was designed for. Obviously, C.J. Stroud and Will Anderson are excellent additions. Obviously, trading a first-round pick in 2024, among other assets, was a hefty price to pay for Anderson. The Texans improved their roster, but they would have had to be geniuses of self-sabotage not to, and all of the geniuses of self-sabotage are supposed to be out of the building.

The Stroud/Anderson acquisitions announce that the Texans are a football team again, not a youth ministry/performance art installation. That alone is valuable: it's a sign that the franchise is committed to DeMeco Ryans and a signal both to current players and the rest of the league to start taking the Texans seriously again.

Juice Newton Scruggs fills a need, though other quality centers were on the board when the Texans traded up (again) for him. Tank Dell is a fun little slotcar of a receiver, but Jalin Hyatt and Josh Downs were still on the board when the Texans traded up (yet again) for a 165-pounder. The Texans could have used the fifth- and sixth-round picks they traded away, but Nick Caserio appears to still be semi-dedicated to providing a halfway house for Derek Rivers/Christian Kirksey types on the back of the depth chart.

Ultimately, Thursday night marked the dawn of the DeMeco/Stroud/Anderson era. Those are three names worth getting behind, so we should keep our concerns about pick-value optimization under our hats. For now.

Indianapolis Colts

Improved Roster: A
Used Resources Well: A
Met Needs: A
FINAL PPA: A

I loved the Colts draft class! Does that mean Jim Irsay and I are now on the same wavelength? I have been listening to a lot of the Grateful Dead and pounding down fistfuls of cannabis gummies drinking a lot of herbal tea lately.

Whatever the reason, this was the sort of bold, thorough draft that the Colts have needed for years but couldn't accomplish because they kept trading draft picks for terrible quarterbacks.

Julius Brents is a high-effort, high-character, high-above-the-ground-because-he-is-tall defender. Seventh-rounder Jaylon Jones is similar to Brents though not as athletic or polished. Josh Downs and Adetomiwa Adebawore were outstanding values at their draft positions. Blake Freeland could develop into a starting left tackle. Evan Hull is another of my favorites: watch him gain an immediate role as a reliable third-down back behind Jonathan Taylor.

As for Anthony Richardson, he's the risk the Colts never wanted to take, and look where it got them. It's not hard to see a championship nucleus in this class if Richardson and some high-upside guys like Adebawore pan out. What more can a team ask for from the draft?

Jacksonville Jaguars

Improved Roster: D+
Used Resources Well: B+
Met Needs: C-
FINAL PPA: C

The Jaguars traded down twice before selecting Anton Harrison, then traded down again in the second round before choosing Brenton Strange. They accumulated a stockpile of about 83 Day 3 picks, most of which were used on players I either didn't like or did not do any real legwork on.

From a purity-of-analytics standpoint, therefore, the Jaguars did the right thing by not reaching for "their guy" and getting lots of extra rolls of the dice.

The Jaguars clearly like their secondary and interior defensive line more than I do (Antonio Johnson was a swell late addition). They liked Strange and Ventrell Miller more than I do. They may be a smidge more confident in Calvin Ridley/Christian Kirk/Zay Jones than they should be. Yeah, I am rooting for Ridley too. I haven't seen the cat since 2020, and "rooting for" is different from "analyzing" (at least, that's how I do it).

Trevor Lawrence gives Trent Baalke and Doug Pederson lots of margin for error when drafting. That doesn't mean they have to use it. But again: one or two Day 3 sleepers in the bushel could change the complexion of this class quickly.

Tennessee Titans

Improved Roster: C+
Used Resources Well: B
Met Needs: C-
FINAL PPA: C

Tyjae Spears, one of my giga-binkies, apparently doesn't have an ACL in one of his knees. That's right: he tore his ACL one too many times in the past, so that little sucker just packed its bags and noped out. That makes Spears an odd change-of-pace/insurance policy/heir apparent for Derrick Henry, but maybe Henry can protect Spears within the bubble of his Curse of 370 Cancellation spell.

Anyway, the Titans draft comes down to Will Levis. Acquiring Levis in the second round was worth the risk, the price of the second-round trade-up (a 2024 third-rounder and some late-round reshuffling) negligible for a theoretical quarterback solution. Peter Skoronski bulwarks the offensive line, and Jaelyn Duncan is an intriguing sixth-round lottery ticket at tackle.

Now, if someone can explain to me how Levis, who struggled in 2022 because of a depleted receiving corps (so the pro-Levis story goes, anyway), will develop while throwing to Treylon Burks, Nick Westbrook-Ikhine, Chris Moore, Racey McMath, Kyle Philips, Chigozeim Okonkwo, and some Day 3 randos, I will hang up and listen.

AFC West

Denver Broncos

Improved Roster: A
Used Resources Well: A+
Met Needs: C
FINAL PPA: A-

The Broncos did not draft for need. Or did they? They're loaded at wide receiver on paper, but it feels like they always have two guys on injured reserve and a third on the trading block. Their defense is always stout, but Dre'Mont Jones (who's now in Seattle) led the team with just 6.5 sacks last season, and there's always room for more talent at cornerback.

Marvin Mims should be fine as a seam-stretcher. Drew Sanders is my uberbinkie: he's an upgraded version of Baron Browning who can get after the quarterback, defend the run, and effectively drop into coverage a dozen times per game. JL Skinner is a fun 'tweener; players like Skinner end up washing out when drafted on Day 2 by bad teams but become quality role players for better defenses (who do not expect them to instantly become Tyrann Mathieu) when taken on Day 3.

As for Riley Moss: take it away, padawan...

The Broncos should not be drafting "for need" anyway. Either Russell Wilson rebounds and they reach the playoffs or he disappears further down into his own navel. The later scenario is more likely, and the Sean Payton regime spent the weekend adding fresh talent and starting to place its stamp on the roster in case a rebuild is imminent.

Kansas City Chiefs

Improved Roster: B+
Used Resources Well: B
Met Needs: B
FINAL PPA: B

Rashee Rice will either be an absolute revelation as Patrick Mahomes' new deep threat—an upgraded Marquez Valdes-Scantling, perhaps—or a small-school mirage. As a tall, one-dimensional boundary threat, Rice could not have landed in a better place, except perhaps Buffalo.

Wanya Morris will be starting at one of the tackle positions in 2024. Keondre Coburn can provide 30 space-eating snaps in the middle of the defense right away.

Felix Anudike-Uzomah is Captain Moldable Traits. BJ Thompson was a small-school pro day standout. Perennial contenders like the Chiefs must keep taking big swings like this on the edge because they are never in position to draft Will Anderson and get diminishing returns from ring-chasing rentals such as Carlos Dunlap.

It's a Super Bowl winner's draft. It's only going to be so thrilling.

Las Vegas Raiders

Improved Roster: C+
Used Resources Well: B
Met Needs: C+
FINAL PPA: B-

A solid but scattered draft class. Tyree Wilson and Michael Mayer are just peachy at the top. Mayer was an excellent value with the 35th pick and will see a lot of action immediately. Christopher Smith and Jakorian Bennett are quality upgrades in the secondary; Smith could start early, while Bennett has starting potential.

Tre Tucker charmed me at the Senior Bowl (he's quick and nifty) and the combine (he's an engaging interview). I like him as a return man and slot depth piece, but not as a third-round pick.

Aidan O'Connell is so immobile that I cannot imagine him developing into even a useful backup. The Raiders should have just grabbed more offensive line or front-seven talent instead of pretending that Josh McDaniels has any interest in a long-range quarterback solution.

Searching for rhyme or reason in a Raiders draft class has been a fool's errand since the Jon Gruden era, and really for most of the last 35 years. Enjoy the guy with the long arms, the tight end, and the feisty punt returner, and try not to think about what it all means.

Los Angeles Chargers

Improved Roster: B+
Used Resources Well: B
Met Needs: A
FINAL PPA: B+

This may have been the most by-the-books draft of the weekend. Receiver for Justin Herbert in the first round? Check. Beef up the defense on Day 2? Check. The Chargers did not even make a trade in the first three rounds. Maybe Tom Telesco was saving mental energy for the task of wringing the Herbert contract out of Dean Spanos.

Quentin Johnston is more of a Mike Williams than a Keenan Allen, but there was no Allen-type once Jaxon Smith-Njigba was gone. Derius Davis (Tank Dell without the buzz) was a strong fourth-round value.

Tuli Tuipulotu adds size, versatility, and a nasty hop-out move to the defensive front. Daiyan Henley may be old for a prospect, but he's younger than Eric Kendricks and could push the aging free-agent acquisition for a starting job.

Max Duggan can back Herbert up for three years at the league-minimum salary. In the event that Herbert suffers a minor injury, Duggan has enough big-game experience to get the Chargers through a week without suffering panic attacks.

NFC East

Dallas Cowboys

Improved Roster: B
Used Resources Well: B-
Met Needs: B
FINAL PPA: B

We enter every draft expecting the Cowboys to do loopy, splashy stuff. In most cases, they just add a collection of big/strong/fast guys, most of whom fill a need and come with a round-appropriate scouting report, perhaps with a dash of splash.

Mazi Smith is going to make Micah Parsons and Tank Lawrence better by munching about 45 double-teams per game. I also enjoyed Parsons' "no more sneaks" messaging. I don't think defenses can solve the quarterback sneak issue with manpower, but it's interesting to watch teams and players try to address the problem.

Luke Schoonmaker is a talented athlete and a sturdy blocker. He's a solid system fit for a team that probably plans to feature its receivers and use the tight end as a safety valve in the passing game, though Schoonmaker is fast enough to beat linebackers up the seam.

Yes, Deuce Vaughn's father works for the Cowboys, and he's only 5-foot-5. Vaughn's a thick little bocce ball, though, and the fact that the Cowboys pursued a Tony Pollard change-up in the sixth round instead of a Zeke Elliott surrogate in the first or second round illustrates the difference between Cowboys philosophies and Cowboys Internet memes.

The rest of the Cowboys draft class isn't all that interesting, and they didn't do any significant trading. Like the Bills, Bengals, and Chiefs (but not the Eagles), they acted like a Super Bowl contender just looking to plug holes and fine-tune the roster. But they are the Cowboys, so we always expect something more, or less, or just more COWBOYS.

New York Giants

Improved Roster: B
Used Resources Well: C+
Met Needs: B+
FINAL PPA: B+

Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll run a tidy ship. From contract negotiations to free agency to the draft board, you never look at a Giants decision over the last 16 months and ask, "WTF was that all about!" It's refreshing. It's also a little boring. Like, creating a reasonable B-tier compensation package for Daniel Jones took some subtle general management and careful balancing of risks with rewards. But it also just means Daniel Jones is your quarterback for the next two years.

Deonte Banks and John Michael Schmitz are strong prospects who solve immediate problems. Jalin Hyatt slipped, and Schoen grabbed the deep threat Kenny Golladay was supposed to be. Eric Gray is versatile enough to be a featured back during one of Saquon Barkley's absences.

Solid, by-the-book stuff. But remember: the Giants aren't as talented as the typical nine-win team. A by-the-book draft could land them back at eight wins or less. They would have benefitted from finding ways to be more active on Day 3. Or maybe they could have really hammered on one unit (receiver, secondary) like the Commanders did. This was a solid effort, not a special one. Schoen may need to break out the "special" to get the Giants ahead, because Jones will never be Josh Allen.

Philadelphia Eagles

Improved Roster: Brrt.
Used Resources Well: Brrrrt.
Met Needs: Brrrrrrrrrrt.
FINAL PPA: BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT.

I led my New York Times draft summary with the Eagles and do not want to repeat myself or belabor any common talking points.

The worst thing that can be said about the Eagles draft is that Jalen Carter might become a character-issue bust, Nolan Smith may just be a workout warrior, Kelee Ringo might have fallen to the fourth round for a reason, D'Andre Swift could be just a non-factor with a recognizable name, and the whole Georgia meme merely a sign of Howie Roseman getting too cutesy-poo. Indeed, Jordan Davis and Nakobe Dean did not do much last year.

Fine, the worst-case scenario is possible, maybe a little plausible. But the Eagles did exactly what a Super Bowl contender should do in the draft: they aggressively pursued maximum-upside talent, because the "safe" picks likely to fall to them in most spots are unlikely to be talented enough to make a difference.

Also, Eagles fans are going to love Sydney Brown, and I wish the Eagles had drafted Chase Brown too.

Washington Commanders

Improved Roster: B+
Used Resources Well: B-
Met Needs: C-
FINAL PPA: C

Emmanuel Forbes and Jartavius Martin are good, though the Commanders could easily have had a more talented cornerback tandem in those same slots.

The overall Commanders draft strategy, on the other hand, was bad. That's not just a quarterback thing: Chase Young's option was not picked up, which means every edge rusher on the roster becomes a free agent next year, yet the Commanders waited until the fifth round to address that position.

I also don't get Chris Rodriguez, who essentially duplicates Brian Robinson as a thumper but is slow-footed and has a DUI arrest on his record. It's a quibble, but it speaks to the Commanders' aimless roster construction.

The Commanders don't really have a plan right now. That's understandable during an ownership change, but it's hardly optimal.

NFC North

Chicago Bears

Improved Roster: A+
Used Resources Well: A+
Met Needs: A-
FINAL PPA: A

Eight picks before the fifth round? Love it. An extra trade down in the first round? Elegant. Darnell Wright? One of my favorite prospects. Gervon Dexter and Thicch Zacch Pickens adding a zillion pounds of gristle to the defensive line? On brand. Tyler Scott (fast, great at fetching bad balls), Noah Sewell (too chonk for his own good, but with upside as a Sam/situational edge), and Terrell Smith (potential starting cornerback) on Day 3? Outstanding resource husbandry.

DJ Moore? An extra first-round pick next year? Five stars. No notes.

Detroit Lions

Improved Roster: A+
Used Resources Well: B-
Met Needs: B+
FINAL PPA: A-

You will likely read many deep-dive treatises into the Lions draft this week from evangelical analytics navel-gazers, Dan Campbell apologists, Lions-for-Super-Bowl early adopters, Hendon Hooker stans, and gambling/fantasy experts who think Jahmyr Gibbs +900 for Offensive Rookie of the Year looks tasty (it does). I tried to sum the Lions draft experience up succinctly in The New York Times, and I have neither the time nor patience to bloat the wordcount of this piece.

Overall, the Lions had a very good weekend. But they also could have added Christian Gonzalez, Lukas Van Ness, or Jaxon Smith-Ngiba instead of Gibbs, then added some running back later in the draft, kept D'Andre Swift, or perhaps grabbed Austin Ekeler for a Day 3 pick if they really felt they needed a receiver out of the backfield.

Had they selected one of those other players, the Lions would have had an objectively better weekend, and any stealth-contender talk would have been a little more serious.

Green Bay Packers

Improved Roster: B
Used Resources Well: C+
Met Needs: C+
FINAL PPA: C+

The first and last initials of all the skill position players the Packers drafted spell out the words "F*ck You, Rodgers."

OK, not really. But there were still some reaches among the team's post-Rodgers celebration bouquet.

I am not a big Luke Musgrave fan; he strikes me as a future airport All-Star who is always hurt and never blocks well enough to be a quality starter. Tucker Kraft could end up starting instead, which is fine, except the Packers should have grabbed a cornerback or a wide receiver (or a linebacker, or something) with the 42nd pick. Unless the goal was just to deny the Jets Musgrave.

Jayden Reed also felt a bit high. If you are passing on Jalin Hyatt or Josh Downs because they weigh 177 pounds, then don't draft a receiver who weighs exactly 180 pounds. Dontayvian Wicks dropped 15 passes in the last two years and was not targeted that much. There's also a small-school running back and a kicker lurking at the bottom of the board.

That said, Lukas Van Ness and Karl Brooks give up some strong Preston Smith and Rashan Gary vibes, Kraft is interesting, and the sheer size of this draft class (13 players) will be useful for a team at the dawn of a not-so-soft reboot.

Minnesota Vikings

Improved Roster: C
Used Resources Well: C
Met Needs: C-
FINAL PPA: C-

Some readers may think I go into around-the-league features like these looking for ways to troll Vikings fans. I do not. The Vikings keep forcing my hand.

Here are some of the notes I wrote in mid-February about DeWayne McBride: "Five career receptions is a glowing red flag, and McBride put up pinball numbers against opponents such as Georgia Southern (223 yards, four touchdowns) and Liberty (177, one). So we're looking at a midmajor workhorse with no receiving value: not exactly a great value in a deep running back class. Five fumbles (four lost) in 2022 are another cause for concern."

And here are some of my Jaren Hall notes: "Hall has a C+ NFL arm. ... Hall's passes often sail high, sometimes in traffic over the middle. He has good touch but below-average velocity in the 10- to 20-yard range, and defenders can jump his softer stuff. … There was lots of pro-Hall buzz entering the Senior Bowl, but he laid an egg during practice week. It was one of the worst weeks of practice I have seen by a quarterback in Mobile since Kellen Moore."

Jordan Addison is fine, but I did not have Mekhi Blackmon among my top 20 cornerbacks, and it does not appear that many other analysts did.

So what am I supposed to do here? The Vikings need youth and speed everywhere, probably should have saturation-drafted their secondary, and would have benefitted from expanding the depth chart at edge, on the offensive line, and at linebacker. Instead, they drafted Kellen Mond 2.0 and a fumble-prone running back. This is how they stay the Vikings.

Central tendency is about to hit this poor franchise like a freight train.

NFC South

Atlanta Falcons

Improved Roster: B-
Used Resources Well: C-
Met Needs: C
FINAL PPA: C

Bijan Robinson transforms the Falcons from a nine-win team into an SEO-friendly nine-win team. The Falcons had absolutely zero business drafting a running back in the first round. None.

There's something unforgivably mid about the Arthur Smith Falcons' ambitions and taste in draft picks (and free agents in most cases). Clark Phillips was an excellent value, but Mathew Bergeron and Zach Harrison are low-upside prospects, and the same can be said about a huge chunk of the non-Jessie Bates members of the Falcons' free-agent shopping cart. Smith is definitely the guy who orders the chicken parm at the four-star Italian bistro.

The Falcons are burning money and resources to win the NFC South and only the NFC South. They're like the Saints without the financial-tightrope-walking flair. And at least the Saints really know what they have at quarterback.

Carolina Panthers

Improved Roster: C+
Used Resources Well: C+
Met Needs: A
FINAL PPA: B-

Quarterback was the need. Bryce Young filled it. Trading up for Young weakened both the roster (DJ Moore is a huge loss) and the Panthers' spending power in the draft.

Jonathan Mingo joins DJ Chark and Adam Thielen in a too slow/too injured/too old receiver corps, which could hamper Young's early career development. Mingo would have fit better on a team that needed a hard-blocking trips-formation receiver and third-and-6 guy, not one that might need someone to soak up a dozen targets per game by October.

I like adding Chandler Zavala to Ickey Ekwonu, potentially creating an all-Wolfpack offensive line, and both DJ Johnson and Jammie Robinson are interesting defensive pieces, but the Panthers could have used some late-round picks to churn the depth chart.

Don't be surprised—or too concerned—if Bryce Young has a Trevor Lawrence rookie year.

New Orleans Saints

Improved Roster: C+
Used Resources Well: C+
Met Needs: C
FINAL PPA: C+

Bryan Bresee has All-Pro upside but dealt with family and personal medical issues in college. Isaiah Foskey is big and toolsy; he could fill the Marcus Davenport role of "edge rusher everyone keeps waiting to break out."

A.T. Perry is tall and crafty, but he's 23 years old and slow-footed off the line. Kendre Miller is an upright runner with limited receiving value.

Jake Haener? He's a pepperpot, and I could see him as a cheap finish-the-game backup for Jalen Hurts or Patrick Mahomes. He'll be stuck on the third string in New Orleans, because Jameis Winston is backing up Derek Carr. The Saints must keep Winston because they agreed to restructure his contract to save cap space. The Saints have this weird need to burn midround picks on quarterback prospects such as Ian Book and Garrett Grayson who just don't have the tools to do more than soak up preseason snaps.

Don't read too much into the Saints' grades. Thinking about the way they have done business since Drew Brees' retirement just makes my head hurt, and I don't think even they really know what their plan is.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Improved Roster: B+
Used Resources Well: B
Met Needs: C
FINAL PPA: B

As promised/threatened, the Buccaneers did nothing at quarterback. This is Kyle Trask and Baker Mayfield's team to crash into the Shoals of Tankeria now, for better or worse.

Calijah Kancey and YaYa Diaby are athletic tough-guys who can help with the soft reboot on defense. Cody Mauch fills Jason Licht's never-satiated craving for gap-toothed small-program offensive linemen. I love Payne Durham as a block-first tight end with a little juice and Trey Palmer as a fast-fast-fast receiver/returner who can bounce right up after he takes a licking.

The "C" grade for "met needs" may be harsh; the Bucs have needs that they could not have possibly met on draft weekend. But they could have done something inspired like trade out of the first round (an extra first-rounder in 2024 could help them achieve their goals), stockpile more picks, liberate Mike Evans, etc.

Hmm, then maybe they should be dinged for "Used Resources Well." Whatever. Enjoy the concert by the Mayfield Trask Blues Band.

NFC West

Arizona Cardinals

Improved Roster: B-
Used Resources Well: A+
Met Needs: B-
FINAL PPA: B

To everything there is a season. A time to trade up. A time to trade down. A time to rebuild. A time to win now. A time to draft the best player available. A time to wait and add picks for next year.

The Cardinals added a 2024 first-round pick and two third-rounders through various trades this weekend, and I love it. The roster is in disarray, and so is the front office: my guess is that general manager Monti Ossenfort needs to restructure some things before he can really trust his personnel department's decision-making. The Cardinals need a fallow-field year more than they needed someone like Will Anderson to notch 10 sacks for a six-win team.

That said, Paris Johnson and BJ Ojulari are fine picks, but the Cardinals needed more mid-round offensive line reinforcements than just Jon Gaines. Owen Pappoe is the last thing the Cardinals need: another pumped-up safety with great workout numbers and mediocre instincts trying to play linebacker.

Clayton Tune does not have fifth-round talent; Jeff Driskel or David Blough could easily beat him in training camp, especially if the Cardinals need a September starter due to Kyler Murray's injury. Michael Wilson hasn't looked like a third-round value since 2019, and if DeAndre Hopkins is staying put, the Cardinals didn't need to invest at receiver.

Every draft grade is actually "to be determined in a few years." The Cardinals' true draft grade is "check back and see whom they select in 2024."

Los Angeles Rams

Improved Roster: C
Used Resources Well: C+
Met Needs: C-
FINAL PPA: C

The problem with Stetson Bennett is that he lacks starting-quarterback upside but possesses the illusion of starting-quarterback upside.

Fans will clamor for Bennett the first time Matthew Stafford has one of his turnover sprees. Sean McVay is highly capable of outsmarting himself into thinking he can win with Bennett after the rookie "leads" the Rams to a 19-13 victory over the Cardinals. Next thing you know, the Rams are wasting a season on a pint-sized spray-shooting AJ McCarron type.

Bennett would have made a fine backup for someone such as Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert: his best attribute is that the spotlight won't bother him if he's thrown into a big game, and a contender could then shop him to some patsy if he delivers some "clutch" relief wins instead of being the patsies themselves.

Anyway, Steve Avila and Byron Young are very good players, Kobie Turner a bootleg knockoff weak-tea store-brand Aaron Donald (Turner's fine, but the Rams look like they are trying a little too hard to catch lightning in the bottle by drafting him), and trading down twice in the third round for extra late-round capital (some of which went into Bennett, some into fundersized edge rusher Nick Hampton) was a graceful little move. Puka Nacua could be a useful receiver, and it was fun to watch the Rams get bored at the end and just keep drafting guys named "Evans."

The Rams could have gotten Hendon Hooker—or Will Levis if they liked him—with little trouble instead of adding a guard, a B-tier edge, and a wishful-thinking heir apparent to a Hall of Famer. Maybe it won't matter. Maybe it's the only thing that would have mattered.

San Francisco 49ers

Improved Roster: D
Used Resources Well: B-
Met Needs: C-
FINAL PPA: D+

I don't understand most of what the 49ers did, and I don't really care to.

Drafting a kicker was, well, the kicker. Yes, I know Robbie Gould is gone. If the 49ers had first- or second-round picks, I might have overlooked a third-round kicker. But the 49ers needed to get all the bang they could from their three bucks worth of Day 2 draft capital.

Ji'Ayir Brown was a fine choice. Cameron Latu makes some sense as a system fit. Jake Moody should have been depth at receiver or on the interior offensive line, two units the 49ers didn't bother addressing, even with all of their Day 3 picks.

The 49ers keep succeeding despite weird drafts because of a high home run rate, Kyle Shanahan's clever game-planning, and a string of inspired defensive coordinators. But it's frustrating to watch them almost purposely make things harder on themselves.

Seattle Seahawks

Improved Roster: A+
Used Resources Well: B
Met Needs: B+
FINAL PPA: A-

Let's leave Pete Carroll alone so he can enjoy his running backs. Yes, the Seahawks draft one too early every darn year. And guess what? They end up needing them all, because running backs get hurt a lot.

How many times have the Seahawks started the season stacked at running back but then been forced to pull P.J. Piscataway off the practice squad or lure Abe Vigoda Peterson out of retirement? Both Zach Charbonnet and Kenny McIntosh are going to contribute this year. McIntosh would probably have been sufficient behind Kenny Walker, but whatever.

Let's concentrate instead on Devon Witherspoon, who will get the Seahawks back on brand; Jaxon Smith-Njigba, the best WR3 the Seahawks have employed since their Super Bowl era (and a future go-to guy); Derick Hall, a thumping edge; Mike Morris, a run-stopping rotational defensive end with upside; and a pair of useful interior offensive line pieces. And the Seahawks can be forgiven for not fly-fishing for a maybe-kinda-sorta quarterback-of-the-future late in the draft to cloud the Geno Smith picture this year.

The Seahawks may not have perfectly optimized their draft board. But they didn't revert to their late-2010s Bonkersville drafts, either. And right now, the Seahawks have the best roster in their division. Sorry, 49ers fans!

#1 by theslothook // May 01, 2023 - 10:02am

I don't watch college football, so I can't use that as background primer for any of these draft picks.

 

However, listening to what the pundits have been saying about Anthony Richardson, I have real concerns. He has very limited experience as a starter and his on the field performance was at best characterized as "uneven". At worst, he was described as having no feel for the passing game and the ball just sprayed everywhere. Hmmm....ok :/

 

But then you hear he's an athletic beast who destroyed the combine. I am more worried now that Richardson was drafted because he looks the part and past QBs with similar accuracy concerns happened to work out so this time will too plus you get all of that juicy upside. And of course, since Steichen was there with Herbert and Hurts, there's some confidence he can work his magic with Richardson in the same ways. If that were true, then Steichen is a more valuable coach than Andy Reid or Bill Belichick.

 

I am not a fan. I really really wished the Texans had done something loopy and CJ Stroud had fallen to the Colts. I was tantalized by that. Failing that, I knew the Colts needed a qb but being at pick 4 meant one of these remaining guys was going to get over drafted. It's a reminder of why pick 4 is a far worse draft position than pick 1 or 2 despite being only a few picks away.

Points: 1

#18 by Lebo // May 01, 2023 - 2:51pm

I would recommend reading Matt Waldman's profile of Anthony Richardson. Waldman is very positive about aspects of Richardson's game that aren't based on purely physical ability. He actually likes Richardson more than he did Trevor Lawrence when Lawrence was drafted.

Points: 1

#25 by theslothook // May 01, 2023 - 4:06pm

I read it.  Curiously, his position asserts essentially the opposite of what the standard punditry has been saying. I guess I would need to watch Florida's film to somehow square these diametrically opposing views.

Points: 0

#123 by DoubleB // May 03, 2023 - 1:11pm

I'll only add this. I saw a lot of Brock Purdy in college and he a) single-handedly lost ISU a Big 12 Championship in 2020 and was b) nearly benched at the beginning of 2021. Matt Campbell is a good football coach (ISU's head guy), but there is some ELITE NFL coaching that can bring the best out in players. It certainly helps to have great talent around him (although he had a fair amount of that at Iowa State). 

I have zero idea if Anthony Richardson will be a good NFL QB. The floor feels incredibly low. But his superior physical skills can probably still be developed with the right coaching and support despite his underwhelming college career.

Points: 2

#140 by Pen // May 04, 2023 - 4:54pm

the kid's only 20. They've essentially drafted a sophomore out of college. Most pundits look at raw stats or lack thereof and compare. You can't do that with a kid who is just 20. Compare him to Stroud and Bryce when they were 20 maybe. But there's no sample size. His completion percentage isn't low when compared to most 20 yr. olds.

AR was drafted based on pure athletic freakishness. Whether he will develop into a starting quality QB is unknown.

Personally, I think he needed to go to a team that had time to let him sit on the bench a couple of years. Throwing him to the NFL wolves at that young age is only going to shell shock  him.

Points: 0

#51 by Aaron Brooks G… // May 02, 2023 - 9:53am

Richardson could be really, really good.

The thing is, his floor is also potentially lower than George Plimpton's.

Points: 2

#2 by johonny12 // May 01, 2023 - 10:05am

I like Miami's draft. I just wish they had that number 1 pick. The team still feels light on TEs and could use a G. Post draft free agency here we come.

Points: 0

#3 by Romodini // May 01, 2023 - 11:35am

Dallas's decision to forgo drafting an offensive lineman until the fifth round is worrisome. When Tyron Smith gets his annual injury, who takes over? Josh Ball? Chuma Edoga? Asim Richards? A wish, a prayer, and a fifth round pick are not enough to address a line that gets abused by the 49ers every year in the playoffs, and one that has to deal with the Eagles twice a year.

Points: 1

#4 by actuarillysound // May 01, 2023 - 11:46am

You're really criticizing the Vikings for their 7TH ROUND RB pick? Or their 5TH ROUND QB? The odds of any pick in that round doing anything are slim. Addison fills the needs as well as their many selections at CB (which fine, Mekhi wasn't anyone's top pick, give you that). Seems like typical analysis of "team has no draft capital, so they are punished." Vikings were a top five team in % of capital used at premium positions. They did about as good as I could expect, definitely not poor. 

Points: 3

#5 by actuarillysound // May 01, 2023 - 11:46am

You're really criticizing the Vikings for their 7TH ROUND RB pick? Or their 5TH ROUND QB? The odds of any pick in that round doing anything are slim. Addison fills the needs as well as their many selections at CB (which fine, Mekhi wasn't anyone's top pick, give you that). Seems like typical analysis of "team has no draft capital, so they are punished." Vikings were a top five team in % of capital used at premium positions. They did about as good as I could expect, definitely not poor. 

Points: 1

#7 by Will Allen // May 01, 2023 - 11:50am

Being critical of 6th or 7th round draft picks is kind of peak off- season NFL journo silliness. Hey, content is needed!

Points: 4

#11 by ImNewAroundThe… // May 01, 2023 - 12:46pm

I mean, I guess with that way of thinking all...5th+ rounders aren't worth commenting on? 

Points: 0

#14 by Will Allen // May 01, 2023 - 1:01pm

Sure, as long as it is leavened with a good dose of intellectually honest  recognition that such decisions are in good measure wild-assed guessing.

Points: 0

#15 by stevenemacks // May 01, 2023 - 2:04pm

"I promise I'm not trolling Vikings fans, so I'm going to be especially critical of their 7th round draft selection." 

I mean.... Maybe he just doesn't see it....

Points: 4

#16 by stevenemacks // May 01, 2023 - 2:10pm

Additionally, I think this pick was 100% about inconsistently converting short yardage via the run with little intention of doing much more with McBride than that for a while

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#26 by actuarillysound // May 01, 2023 - 4:16pm

lol How can he not? Ridiculous. 

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#52 by Aaron Brooks G… // May 02, 2023 - 10:01am

It's not like he was getting paid to write it.

Points: 4

#6 by Will Allen // May 01, 2023 - 11:47am

Since the Wilfs bought the Vikings after the 2005 season,  with a roster that was somewhat depleted by cheapskate former ownership, the franchise has had the 12th best winning percentage in the league, 2 conference championship appearances, 5 division titles, 2 more playoff appearances. This happened in a division where they frequently have had the 3rd or 4th best qb, and qb quality is hugely affected by random chance.

That's not a world-beating outcome, of course, but it's not bad. Mike has some odd cognitive blindspots.

 

(edit) To put it in further perspective, 8 more wins since the current Vikings ownership took control after the 2005 season, would have put the Vikings in the top 10 in winning percentage in that span,  and ahead of the Eagles. When a about a half win a season seperates what is thought to be competent and incompetent performance, you're not thinking about this very usefully. 

Points: 4

#10 by theslothook // May 01, 2023 - 12:36pm

This is why I have said, if you plot the utility(or euphoria) curve by wins in a season; its largely flat until you get this sugar induced surge at the end of the SB(but only if you win). And then people wonder why so many fans advocate for tanking. If going 2-14 is effectively no different than going 12-4 but not winning the Sb, then sure...sign up for the tank job and watch cut ups of Bryce Young and CJ Stroud instead of anyone on an NFL roster. Mike's btw not particularly consistent on this - effectively lambasting tankers while apparently relegating "success" to an extremely narrow definition. 

 

For those who think this way; I would submit they have not been fans of teams with prolonged losing streaks. This past season for the Colts was a case study in fan drudgery - watching an aimless team with 0 interesting prospects for the future suck and be terrible in the same crappy way for 17 weeks. They did get to upset the Chiefs, one nice moment in an otherwise coma inducing season.

 

 

Points: 3

#13 by Will Allen // May 01, 2023 - 12:58pm

Being paid to offer entertaining opinions is not a job that promotes reasonable, context-rich,  perspective. Which is  in good measure, why, in addition to the prevalence of digital communication, the opposite dominates discourse in so much of our society. No matter if the topic at hand is of vital importance, or of fairly trivial significance. 

Points: 2

#53 by Aaron Brooks G… // May 02, 2023 - 10:03am

Being paid to offer entertaining opinions is not a job that promotes reasonable, context-rich,  perspective. 

Which is why I so badly miss Terry Pratchett.

Points: 1

#60 by Mike B. In Va // May 02, 2023 - 10:21am

Or not being paid, in some cases.

Points: 4

#21 by guest from Europe // May 01, 2023 - 3:34pm

To put it in further perspective, 8 more wins since the current Vikings ownership took control after the 2005 season, would have put the Vikings in the top 10 in winning percentage in that span,  and ahead of the Eagles. When a about a half win a season seperates what is thought to be competent and incompetent performance, you're not thinking about this very usefully. 

Apparently the majority of people prefer a good team with a higher variance such as the Eagles or Seahawks to a more consistent team that doesn't reach the Super Bowl such as the Cowboys or Vikings (21st century).

There are already voices saying that the Patriots aren't good anymore, they are just competent, it was all Brady, Billy B isn't that great and so on.

Points: 2

#27 by Will Allen // May 01, 2023 - 4:31pm

Of course, people can prefer whatever they want. As a matter of observable reality, however, it just doesn't make much sense to imply that a team like the Vikings has been poor, or even not above average, in managing personnel in recent history. Once you get to a sample size approaching a couple hundred games, the wins are the wins, especially when the team has used about 8 or 9 qbs.

Points: 2

#29 by guest from Europe // May 01, 2023 - 4:46pm

I think Tanier writes for the crowds. There are a lot of jokes and pop references in his articles. In that sense he repeats some tropes about  several teams such as the Vikings, Texans, Cowboys...

Points: 0

#31 by Will Allen // May 01, 2023 - 5:09pm

In looking at winning % from 2006 on, I was surprised at how high the Cowboys ranked, and I'm sure that surprise was rooted in my cognitive blind spot regarding the owner. I didn't fully incorporate into my priors that the owner's son has done a good job, for more than a decade now, of putting a brake on the owner's worst impulses. It really is a shame that the son didn't have his head turned, when dad was struck by the impulse to draft Johnny Manziel!

Points: 0

#39 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 2:12am

Without looking at any data i would say that the Cowboys have been the most consistent good team in the NFC in the 21st century. It's between them and the Packers. All these good years and they always find new and highly entertaining ways to lose playoff games all the way back since the Romo fumble on the field goal try. They are climbing really high on those Knowles' dynasty of heartbreak rankings.

Points: 1

#99 by Vincent Verhei // May 02, 2023 - 3:07pm

Here's one way to look at the data -- most 10-win regular seasons, 2000-2022:

AFC

NE: 19
IND: 15
BAL: 13
PIT: 13
KC: 12
CIN: 8
DEN: 8
TEN: 7
MIA: 6
LAC: 6
NYJ: 5
LV: 5
BUF: 4
HOU: 4
JAX: 3
CLE: 2

NFC

GB: 15
PHI: 12
SEA: 11
NO: 10
SF: 8
DAL: 8
MIN: 8
ATL: 7
NYG: 7
LAR: 7
CAR: 6
TB: 6
CHI: 6
ARI: 5
WAS: 2
DET: 2

(I love that the Texans have more good seasons than the Jaguars, Browns, Commanders, or Lions despite not even existing until 2002.)

Points: 0

#101 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 4:01pm

Thanks for the info. I was wrong about the Cowboys: they were not as good as Eagles and Seahawks. Maybe i thought they were better during Romo-years than they were.

Points: 0

#105 by Romodini // May 02, 2023 - 6:29pm

The Cowboys are also the only team in that timeframe with at least 7 or more 10 win seasons not to have reached a conference championship game, so they've had pretty terrible playoff luck.

Points: 0

#106 by Will Allen // May 02, 2023 - 7:46pm

Given the number of really excellent qb seasons the Ravens have had in that time frame, that's a phenomenal performance. Ozzie is the man.

Points: 1

#113 by guest from Europe // May 03, 2023 - 2:14am

They have had only 1 such a season, 2019. Otherwise from bad (Boller) to above average in other Jackson's seasons and some of Flacco's.

On that list teams without many excellent QB seasons: Reid's teams with McNabb and A. Smith and Steelers in 00's. Those were mostly above average QB play. Also 49ers with all their QBs and Seahawks. R. Wilson had a few excellent seasons (2019 and 2015). In 2012 and 2013 he was 8th and 9th in DYAR. Hasselbeck had 3 top-6 seasons (2002, 2003, 2005).

It can be done without a MVP-contention level of QB play.

Points: 0

#117 by Raiderfan // May 03, 2023 - 11:38am

Whoosh!  That was his point, and why he was complimenting the GM.

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#120 by guest from Europe // May 03, 2023 - 12:09pm

Yes, and i agree. I didn't make any counter to what Will Allen wrote. His sentence induced me to write about other similar teams without MVPs or HOF QBs because a lot of people claim that for long term success such a QB is a necessity.

I think the Ravens and Steelers are the best at this overall team management.

Points: 0

#118 by Raiderfan // May 03, 2023 - 11:40am

You left off the other TB, with 19, and the PM with 14.

Points: 0

#122 by spybloom // May 03, 2023 - 1:10pm

I've been toying with a ranking system for judging teams by decade, based on win-loss, playoff success, and team quality. If you take the average of the 2000s and 2010s ranks (not a perfect measure, but works all right for this), you get 

  1. Packers
  2. Eagles
  3. Seahawks
  4. Saints
  5. Vikings
  6. Cowboys (tied with the Falcons(!))

Looking at the combined data makes Cowboys-Vikings basically a coin flip, although Vikings have done better in the playoffs. The other four teams are pretty solidly ahead, though.

Points: 0

#130 by guest from Europe // May 04, 2023 - 1:12am

I wish you wrote this a few days ago. Maybe more people would discuss.

Eagles were very good under Reid, and Falcons were good in most of Ryan-years.

 

based on win-loss, playoff success, and team quality.

What is team quality here? Something like DVOA ordinal ranking? 

Points: 0

#135 by spybloom // May 04, 2023 - 11:13am

This is very much in the "kill some time at work" phase, so the team quality isn't really scientific. It consists of total points for/against, average off/def Points rank, average SRS, number of pro bowlers/all-pros/MVPs, and number of coaches/distinct leading passers (to try to account for some semblance of year-over-year consistency). It's all subjective in how the numbers add up for which team is better, but part of the project is to try and gauge what public perception of the teams were at the time. Also, again: early stages, killing time

I've only done the past couple decades since I'm able to judge those against my memory and adjust accordingly, but I'm interested to see what'll happen as I keep going back in time.

Points: 0

#138 by guest from Europe // May 04, 2023 - 4:25pm

Good luck with the project!

If i may suggest, awards such as All Pro and MVP are subjective and granular. Maybe it's good not  to put too much weight to those. For example Brees was always in the MVP-contention but never got the award. That doesn't make him a lesser player. Or some WR who finished 4th for All Pro voting. Top 3 WRs are recognized, the fourth one was also good, but didn't get that accolade...

Maybe decades are too long time spans. A core of some team usually lasts less: Legion of Boom Seahawks 2012-2016, J.J. Watt and Hopkins on Texans etc. Maybe you should compare teams like that, depending on how long did the main unit of the team last. 

Points: 0

#36 by bravehoptoad // May 01, 2023 - 9:07pm

But also he writes for the nerds. There are plenty of D&D and Tudor Games references, too.

Points: 2

#143 by LionInAZ // May 05, 2023 - 1:01am

Writing for the crowds is what they do at sites like ESPN and Bleacher Report.

Points: -1

#54 by Aaron Brooks G… // May 02, 2023 - 10:04am

An entire generation was raised on the Pats never losing more than 4 games. They are more spoiled than Yankees fans.

\consider Bayern Munich or Real Madrid fans

Points: 0

#97 by SandyRiver // May 02, 2023 - 2:53pm

21st century Pats fans, maybe.  We graybeards who lived thru the Victor Kiam/Rod Rust era and other such comedies know well that history could repeat.

Points: 0

#103 by Aaron Brooks G… // May 02, 2023 - 4:32pm

The Pats briefly sucked during the Tecmo Bowl era, but even your fallow period involved two SB appearances. You basically sucked from 1967-1975, and 1989-1993.

There are some AARP members who recall you sucking when they were in elementary school.

Points: 2

#116 by SandyRiver // May 03, 2023 - 11:31am

Even when the pre-Brady/Belichick Pats were good, they usually face-planted at critical moments, getting blasted 51-10 by the Chargers in the 1963 AFL championship and IMO suffering the worst beat-down in SB history.  Advanced stats say otherwise, but I consider the Pats the most totally outclassed of any SB team when they played the Bears.  Payton puts the ball on the ground on the 1st play from scrimmage, Eason throws 3 incompletes then a FG.  Next time they sniffed a score was mid-4th down 44-3.  Eason's "performance", 0-for-6 plus 3 sacks (one strip sack), has to be the worst QB play in any Super Bowl.

Points: 1

#121 by DoubleB // May 03, 2023 - 12:48pm

Craig Morton, Super Bowl XII--4 of 15, 39 yards, 4 picks.

And a shoutout to the entire Dolphins of Super Bowl XVII, 4 of 17, 95 yards, 1 TD, 1 pick. The completions were 3 hitches and a long hitch and go for an 80 yard TD.

Points: 2

#125 by SandyRiver // May 03, 2023 - 2:08pm

More quantity of awfulness, that's true, though it may be due to Eason getting yanked late in the 2nd Q.  But his net gain of about -30 yards is outstanding - at the bottom.  

Points: 0

#129 by DoubleB // May 03, 2023 - 5:56pm

Eason might be the only guy who looked legitimately scared playing in the Super Bowl, but you can at least argue he somewhat protected the ball. Morton threw one good ball to Haven Moses and then might as well have been playing FOR the Cowboys.

Dallas didn't play well in that game either and if Morton had just protected the ball, Denver might have been able to sneak out an ugly Super Bowl V type of win.

Points: 2

#108 by LionInAZ // May 02, 2023 - 10:43pm

Just to play devil's advocate... how have the Vikings done since they broke the bank for Kirk Cousins? Or since the most recent GM has been hired? It says much when your best record came from one of the worst teams. Sort of like that one that got blown out by the Giants 23 years ago.

I think Tanier's criticism is a tendency toward mediocrity in player drafting. Strangely enough, that was a view expressed by a colleague at the University of Minnesota when I was a postdoc there. The state wanted to be good, but not too good. 1  

Points: 0

#112 by Will Allen // May 02, 2023 - 11:24pm

The most recent GM is a 17 game sample. Since the last GM signed Cousins, they have gone 46-35-1, so basically 9-7. 

I could only assume Mike's description of Vikings performance was referring to the era under the current owners, because otherwise he's either referring to a 1 year sample, which is kind of dumb, or he's writing as if the last GM and the current GM are a single entity, which is even more dumb. If he's going back 62 years, and 3 ownership groups, for some unfathomable reason, the Vikings have, iirc, about the 6th best winning % in the league. So I think the most charitable interpretation is that he's referring to Vikings performance since the current owners were hiring GMs and coaches. As a matter of observable reality, it's simply an error to describe the team's performance as bad or poor, or even not above average, and I say that as somebody who wouldn't be the least surprised if they only won 4 or 5 games this season.

I don't care if they win or lose like I did 30, or even 10 years ago. In the last few years, I have noticed how journalists on all beats are prone to some pretty obvious cognitive blindspots, and it results in some pretty sloppy work. Hell, it's made me much more sensitive to my own cognitive blindspots, and I've tried to compensate. I suspect it's no worse now than it ever was, and the means of dissemination combined with the ease of fact checking just makes the phenomena more readily recognizable. This beat is just entertainment, so I've probably written way too much on the topic already.

 

 

Points: 3

#144 by LionInAZ // May 05, 2023 - 1:08am

A very lawyerly response, which I expected.

Points: -1

#8 by IlluminatusUIUC // May 01, 2023 - 11:59am

The Bengals and Chiefs didn't do much wheeling and dealing either. But they are the teams the Bills are trying to catch. That means the Bills should have been willing to take some extra risks and bigger swings.

The Bills made swings last year and then everyone got hurt and we got outschemed. It wasn't really feasible to make a huge splash this year with Von Miller's megadeal still on the books and all the "cheap" vets we signed and picks we hit in 2017/18 now starting new contracts. Just have to hope the vets stay healthy and the young and cheap players we've got now (Cook, Elam, Rousseau, etc) make the leap.

Points: 1

#19 by guest from Europe // May 01, 2023 - 3:02pm

The Bills were No. 1 in DVOA ratings by a considerable margin. How are they trying to catch the Bengals?! This is some playoff-winz writing. Was every team trying to catch the Rams and Bengals last year?

Points: 0

#30 by IlluminatusUIUC // May 01, 2023 - 4:47pm

How are they trying to catch the Bengals?!

The Bengals blew our doors off at home and have made it farther than us in each of the last two seasons, I think it's a fair claim

Points: 6

#40 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 2:24am

This is one playoff game, not the 2022 season. Disclaimer: I was rooting hard for the Bengals in that game beause they got royally screwed at the end of the season by the league and playoff home field potentially decided by coin tosses, playing on a neutral field... all that mess. I was rooting for Bengals vs. Chiefs for the same reason.

To those who forgot DVOA season ratings are Bills 35% and Bengals 18%. Bengals were as close to the Bills as they were to the Jets and Steelers. Bengals were improving at the end, higher weighted DVOA etc. but the whole season counts.

If you go by the playoff exits, someone might claim that the Jaguars and Giants were as good as the Bills. All lost convincigly in divisional games.

About 2021 Bills season, do i have to remind what happened in the Chiefs-Bills playoff game?! That later there were complaints about overtime rules, coin tosses and so on.

Points: 0

#47 by Chuckc // May 02, 2023 - 9:43am

The objective of the season is to win playoff games. The Bengals have been much more successful in that regard in the last 2 years.

Points: 3

#70 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 11:02am

A playoff game is very important. Nevertheless, it's only one game. In 2022 season the Chiefs lost a single game to the Colts and barely beat the Texans. That doesn't mean that the Colts are better than Chiefs. Stuff can happen in any one game.

Playoffs are made of single-elimination games. That's how you get 2007 Giants and 2005 Steelers as champs or Flacco and Foles as MVPs.

It's argued in the article that the Bills' roster isn't good enough, that they should have added someone to be as good as Bengals. In other words, Tanier could have filled out that DVOA-article form:  is clearly ranked because  and written: DVOA is clearly wrong about Bills and Bengals because playoff wins. 

By that argument teams should have tried to get Foles after he fulfilled the objective of 2017 season.

If the Bengals vs Bills were as closely matched in full season ratings as the Chiefs vs Eagles, i wouldn't have written anything. 1 or 2 % isn't much. However, there was a large DVOA gap between Bills and Bengals and definitely not in favour of Bengals. If Jackson didn't get injured, probably Ravens finish ahead of the Bengals in AFC North. These were their ratings prior to the Jackson injury, Ravens ahead of Bengals:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/historical-lookup-by-week/2022/13/overall 

Points: 1

#75 by IlluminatusUIUC // May 02, 2023 - 11:31am

A playoff game is very important. Nevertheless, it's only one game. In 2022 season the Chiefs lost a single game to the Colts and barely beat the Texans. That doesn't mean that the Colts are better than Chiefs. Stuff can happen in any one game.

Right, but Buffalo is past the "We're just happy to be here" stage of competence (that's where we were in 2019 and 20, basically where Jax was this year and Cincy was in 21) and into the "We're contenders and it's time to finally get some hardware." Cincy had some real issues last year and probably wouldn't have made it out of the wild card round if Huntley doesn't try to go over the pile from the 2 yard line, but the fact remains that they had an answer when it counted and for multiple years Buffalo has not.

 

I'm happy that the team moved on from Frazier, I think he was responsible for some of the stability in the regular season, but it calcified into predictibility in the playoffs.

Points: 2

#61 by Mike B. In Va // May 02, 2023 - 10:24am

It's established that Mike's columns only tangentially touch on what DVOA actually shows. Plus, the biggest things the Bills did towards "catching" the other teams were not in the draft. So as a draft-only article, I was fine with it until we got to Hopkins commentary.

Points: 1

#77 by Hoodie_Sleeves // May 02, 2023 - 11:33am

Tanier is a hack, and his presence at this site hugely undermines the mission of this site. Half the shit he says is the more modern equivalent of "you need to establish the run"

Points: -13

#107 by hoegher // May 02, 2023 - 8:03pm

Tell us how you really feel, dang.

 

Points: 0

#109 by LionInAZ // May 02, 2023 - 10:50pm

Yeah, of course that's why he slams teams that take a RB in the first round.

The overwhelming presence of uncritical Patriots apologists in the comments section undermines the value of the site.

Points: 1

#126 by LondonMonarch // May 03, 2023 - 3:36pm

Actual laugh out loud! He is the best writer on this site by a country mile. Funny, and able to tell the statistical wood from the trees.

Points: 4

#179 by scraps // May 11, 2023 - 1:05am

Good god. He's not a hack, but he's certainly not the best writer here.  Most self-conscious writer, maybe; most self-congratulatory writer, definitely.

Points: 0

#9 by liquidmuse3 // May 01, 2023 - 12:22pm

I’m confused by this constant “the Bucs have so many needs!” notion. 1st & 2nd round picks at QB, 3rd at RB, Evans/Godwin/Gage at WR, Wirfs/Jensen on the line and high picks the rest of it, 2 starting-caliber TEs, Vea, Gaines, & 2 high picks on the line, David and White at LB and Barrett and a 1st at OLB, Dean, Davis, Winfield, & now Neal in the secondary. How are they bereft of talent?

Points: 0

#20 by guest from Europe // May 01, 2023 - 3:16pm

There is definitely a lot of talented players on that team. Some are getting old, some weren't playing as good as their name suggests in 2022. This is the modern NFL: QB is supposed to be everything, he gets all the credit. The Bucs look similar in player-quality to the Eagles after Wentz was traded away. Bucs have better WRs, worse O-line.

Points: 2

#57 by Aaron Brooks G… // May 02, 2023 - 10:07am

Tampa is looking creaky in the way Minnesota and New Orleans were a few years back -- they still have the names, but the talent is getting old/injured.

Points: 0

#12 by serutan // May 01, 2023 - 12:52pm

{...} a contender could then shop him to some patsy if he delivers some "clutch" relief wins instead of being the patsies themselves.

 

   Why do I get the feeling you were thinking of Kevin Kolb when you wrote this?

Points: 3

#63 by Mike B. In Va // May 02, 2023 - 10:27am

What's next, ending your career by falling on a mat?

Points: 0

#104 by Joey-Harringto… // May 02, 2023 - 5:28pm

Rob Johnson says hi.

Points: 1

#17 by takeleavebelieve // May 01, 2023 - 2:15pm

In fairness to the Vikings, they’ve put together a phenomenal crop of UDFA signings. 

Points: 0

#22 by Steve in WI // May 01, 2023 - 3:35pm

So in the end, the Bears exchanged the #1 overall pick and the 136th pick for:

DJ Moore
Darnell Wright
Tyrique Stevenson
a 2024 1st
a 2024 4th
a 2025 2nd

I am really happy with that.

Personally, I didn't want them to take Jalen Carter because of the risk but also because they desperately needed to solidify the tackle position, hopefully for years going forward but also for 2023 specifically. Barring injury, if Fields does not take a significant step forward in 2023 then the Bears have their answer and can start looking for their next QB (with 6 1st/2nd round picks in the next 2 drafts to help them if they want to trade up).

Points: 4

#23 by theslothook // May 01, 2023 - 3:54pm

Let's leave aside the optics of all of this if Bryce Young or CJ Stroud become massive hits, because they would be coming with the benefit of hindsight.

 

The bigger issue that I have is, there's no guarantee the Bears will be bad enough to land another top 3 pick even if Fields doesn't improve. I think they were fortunate they got the first pick in the first place and that was with the 32nd ranked defense. Now, you could argue they can just package all of those picks and trade up, but there's no guarantee that a team will want to do that and you could be stuck like the 49ers were - trading a huge haul for the third choice at QB.

 

And then there's this. If the Bears are now taking a QB next year, presumably that will have been 2 straight losing seasons for the Bears and now the coaching staff needs to deliver a winner to stave off the calls for their firing. And since rookie QBs are usually bad, that could mean a new regime 2 years from now and it's once again a limbo situation.

 

Its for those reasons I would have rather they kept the pick

Points: 0

#28 by guest from Europe // May 01, 2023 - 4:41pm

The Bears got a lot more picks in this trade than the Packers for Rodgers! If they really want to improve immediately, they could have traded some of those picks for some veteran QB. They had a lot of cap space. They could have signed any free agent QB. There were a lot of those. I think they should have done that. Apparently they don't develop QBs well.

 

And since rookie QBs are usually bad, that could mean a new regime 2 years from now and it's once again a limbo situation.

If you are assuming that some rookie next year will be bad, you have to do the same for this year rookie, a hypothetical Bears' player.

Points: 0

#32 by theslothook // May 01, 2023 - 6:53pm

I am arguing that giving Fields a chance and accumulating draft capital by trading the pick isn't a costless move as many think it is. 

Points: 1

#42 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 3:46am

In this you are right. All of these options have a lot of inherent risk and most will fail. If they fail, they will try in the future with other picks. You are saying that the No. 1 pick has the highest chance of success. QB #2 or #3 has a much smaller success rate than the one drafted #1. In the future the Bears probably won't have #1 pick.

Should the Texans or the Colts traded up to No. 1? Or would that be ridiculed?

The Panthers gave a lot of picks. What is their way out if the rookie is nothing special in the next 3-4 years? The list of such No. 1 successes in modern QB-centered NFL is short: Newton, Luck, Burrow. Undecided: Lawrence Failures: Winston, Mayfield, Goff, Murray Less than 50% success!

QB drafted at #2: no successes! some failures

Yet Tanier now writes that the Texans are a serious team again because of potential. Between Jaguars and Texans and Colts, who have the same team-building, only 1 can win that division and be #4 seed. The rest will fail. Probably none of them will be a contender in the AFC.

But people sure love draft picks and potential and unknown future. I repeat: there were many veteran QBs available for less draft picks than what Panthers gave in the trade to No. 1. Two of them were recent MVPs! Bears had both the cap space and draft picks. They chose Fields.

Points: -1

#44 by David // May 02, 2023 - 5:22am

The list of such No. 1 successes in modern QB-centered NFL is short: Newton, Luck, Burrow. Undecided: Lawrence Failures: Winston, Mayfield, Goff, Murray Less than 50% success!

This is pretty specious - if you move Murray to the success column then it's over 50% success rate, and the Cardinals would certainly consider him a success.  If Burrow is a success, then Goff must be, as well (been to a SuperBowl, got offered a big contract from drafting team).  Now we've got five successes and only two failures - this is looking pretty good!

So, uh, yeah, this is very small sample size, and you can pretty much make it argue whatever you want.

Points: 1

#45 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 5:47am

I put Goff under failure because the team actively traded him away, didn't want him, had to include a high draft pick to get rid of him. Isn't the point of this drafting to have the QB for a long time? Murray and Cardinals don't have much success, you can put him under unknown.

Yes, it's a small sample size. If you include all 1st round drafted QBs, the success rate is waaay smaller! I limited it to #1 picks because theslothook argued that such a pick is so worthy and the Bears probably won't have #1 in the future, but #4 or #5 or some pick.

The conditions were that it's a bad team such as 2022 Bears and the #1 pick QB lifts them and makes them good, above Cousins or Carr-level if you will. Goff isn't that good, it was McVay and Luck got on a somewhat competent playoff team, better than Bears...

Why above Carr-level? Carr was on a contract and available for any pick, the Raiders released him, the Bears didn't want him either.

Points: -1

#68 by theslothook // May 02, 2023 - 10:34am

The low probability of finding an NFL superstar with the top overall pick doesn't invalidate the process. Finding a superstar QB itself is a low odds position. It's just, the top overall pick routinely gets you the best chance at it. 

Points: 0

#74 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 11:26am

Yes, you are right. That's why i included only #1 picks, not other picks who have a lot higher failure rate. You are right that if a team wants to draft a star QB, probably it needs a #1 pick. (I wrote "probably", so that noone comes  with names such as Allen or Mahomes.)

The Bears problem is that they don't develop QBs. Maybe Aaron Brooks knows who was their last good drafted QB. 

However, the Bears had this year a road to 2 certain star QBs via trade. They could have gotten Jackson on a very large contract for Fields and #9 pick, maybe another 3rd round pick. Ravens would need a QB, so they take Fields. This is assuming that Packers would never trade Rodgers to the Bears.

Points: -1

#79 by theslothook // May 02, 2023 - 11:36am

However, the Bears had this year a road to 2 certain star QBs via trade. They could have gotten Jackson on a very large contract for Fields and #9 pick, maybe another 3rd round pick. Ravens would need a QB, so they take Fields. This is assuming that Packers would never trade Rodgers to the Bears.

 

Would the Ravens have accepted this deal? I doubt it. I suspect the Ravens either knew directly or suspected that once one of these qbs up for an extension was going to sign without getting all of it guaranteed, Lamar was going to come around as well. Of course; it cost them some additional cash in the negotiating process, but now they have Lamar at (seemingly) more palatable contract. 

 

The Bears problem is that they don't develop QBs. Maybe Aaron Brooks knows who was their last good drafted QB. 

Pat and I have gone back and forth on this topic so many times that I won't belabor it here. But to me, I don't believe this line nor do I think it matters. The QB is so important that you are better off even in that scenario drafting one and hoping he develops anyways a la Andrew Luck. 

Points: 0

#80 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 12:14pm

Would the Ravens have accepted this deal? 

The Bears would have to offer such a contract that Ravens don't match. Watson-contract.

 

The QB is so important that you are better off even in that scenario drafting one and hoping he develops anyways a la Andrew Luck. 

Then they should have used #1 pick. If you were their GM, you would do it.

I looked a bit at QBs drafted in round 1 for non- playoff teams (top 20 picks) and there are only a few good QBs who weren't drafted #1: Ryan, Allen, Mahomes, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Flacco. The bust rate is quite high! About 7 out of 35 successes. Let's include Herbert as good. In 2011 there were Locker, Ponder and Gabbert busts:

https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb

Points: -1

#82 by theslothook // May 02, 2023 - 12:41pm

Lots of studies, including mine, have plotted draft value as a function of the location of the pick. It's basically a logarithmic function - essentially decaying rapidly before thinning out slowly.

You can cut and slice the examples and sample size all you want - the fact is, no single pick has produced more hall of famers, especially hall of fame QBs, than the first overall pick. The fact that the bust rate or lack of success rate is super high doesn't change that fact. Yes, you can find hall of famers later in the draft. You can also find them out of the draft completely. That take way doesn't get around the basic fact that your best chance of landing that player is with the first overall pick. 

Points: 0

#84 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 1:09pm

If it's unclear from my posts above, i agree with you about draft.

I wrote everything to point out that

  • even #1 pick has less than 50% success
  • and Bears had veteran-QB options: from Carr to Rodgers

You would prefer they used that #1, i would prefer they got a known QB in a trade.

(Apparently #2 QB pick was not historically successful at all!)

Points: 0

#91 by Aaron Brooks G… // May 02, 2023 - 1:21pm

Maybe Aaron Brooks knows who was their last good drafted QB. 

Drafted? Either McMahon or Jim Harbaugh.

Drafted and developed? Sid Luckman. You could make a case for Ed Brown.

\yes, one of Chicago's best QB draft picks was as famous for being a punter as for being a QB.

\\Seriously, this list is dire: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/draft.htm

Points: 0

#93 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 1:45pm

Wasn't Luckman the pioneer among the QBs? Or was it only S. Baugh?

So they got the first-ever good one and never again?

For this reason i think they need a "known value" at QB. 

Points: -1

#58 by Aaron Brooks G… // May 02, 2023 - 10:10am

The list of such No. 1 successes in modern QB-centered NFL is short: Newton, Luck, Burrow. Undecided: Lawrence Failures: Winston, Mayfield, Goff, Murray Less than 50% success!

No Stafford? He actually has a ring.

Points: 1

#76 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 11:33am

I didn't go to expensive #1 picks, pre-2011 rookie salary cap.

We can add those:

success: Stafford, Palmer, E. Manning

failure: J. Russell, older Carr,  A. Smith, Bradford

The failure rate stays almost the same. 20th century list is for somebody else, maybe you.

Success or failure is to the team that is bad and drafts this QB and he lifts them while on the rookie contract, not 10 years later.

Points: 0

#78 by IlluminatusUIUC // May 02, 2023 - 11:34am

It seems like the cutoff the poster was using is the rookie wage scale (2011), otherwise Bradford would fall in the bust category too.

Points: 1

#110 by LionInAZ // May 02, 2023 - 10:58pm

Bradford was pretty much a bust despite his yet again injury shortened renaissance

Points: 0

#34 by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // May 01, 2023 - 7:42pm

I think that's weak logic.  It starts with the premise that the Bears won't get another top 3 pick "if Fields doesn't improve" and then continues on to "if the Bears are now taking a QB next year".  And then finishes with the QB two years from now will likely be bad.

You're completely missing the scenario of "if Fields develops, how do we build a Super Bowl team?"  The answer to that is "don't waste draft picks on more QBs than we can try and develop at once".   You're also missing the other ways teams who are otherwise competitive have to find competent QBs.

The Bears have a young QB and pretty much nothing else.  They need to start building a better football team.

Points: 2

#35 by theslothook // May 01, 2023 - 8:37pm

It starts with the premise that the Bears won't get another top 3 pick "if Fields doesn't improve" and then continues on to "if the Bears are now taking a QB next year".

When you consider that this team traded a bunch of its good players mid season; finished with the 32nd ranked defense and saw Fields finish as the 32nd ranked passer AND yet were still fortunate to land the top overall pick; I'd say it's risky to assume this team will once again finish with a bottom 3 pick. Even mild improvement in one or more areas could see them vault from 1 to 5 or even 8. 

The Bears have a young QB and pretty much nothing else.  They need to start building a better football team.

I have a hard time with this argument as well. Lots and lots of teams have been horrible and finished with the first overall pick. Should that have precluded them from taking the QB? The Jaguars with Lawrence? The Colts with Luck? the Bengals with Burrow?

Points: 1

#37 by Eddo // May 01, 2023 - 10:33pm

The Jaguars and Bengals both declined to use top five picks on QBs after Lawrence and Burrow's rookie years - first overall for the Jaguars - so I'm not sure how the last paragraph is an example against what the Bears did.

Points: 0

#38 by theslothook // May 01, 2023 - 10:49pm

I was referring to the idea that if your team is God awful, you should build a good football team; ie- give the guy support before taking the QB. I may have been misinterpreting the point made, but that's what I was responding to.

That aside, this was Fields' second season. His two years thus far have been beyond terrible. Let me state very quickly, if he turns out to be a good quarterback I won't be shocked considering the team appears to be bereft of talent around him. But I would still be surprised. The historical record for quarterbacks this bad after their first two seasons is to put it charitably not good

Points: -1

#86 by KnotMe // May 02, 2023 - 1:12pm

What you do with the first overall pick really depends on the situation. The Jags were pretty confident in Lawrence (and his rookie year was better than any of Fields's years even with Meyer), while Fields has 2 years of being pretty bad. (see... Z Wilson). 

Basically, this was one of those "insufficient info" scenarios. I feel like the team is probably in the best chance to know since they have more information but at the same time....teams still get this sort of stuff wrong a lot. I feel like the GM basicly chose the choice that is less likely to get them fired (i.e. if they pick Young that basically destroys Fields trade value so you would get pennies at best), so it becomes a knock on him even if Young is good and it works out, esp if they trade Fields and he improves somewhere else. 

Points: 0

#87 by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // May 02, 2023 - 1:14pm

It seems to me that this is your entire premise.  You believe the Bears should have moved on from Fields and used their no. 1 pick to choose his successor.  All of your arguments are based on Fields not succeeding.  You could have just said "Fields suck, Bears need a new QB".  I'd respect that.  But when you start layering "if ...", "then ..." arguments when assessing whether the Bears made the right choice and don't include the "if Fields develops into a good QB" outcome, it undermines the rest of your argument.  

Points: 2

#94 by theslothook // May 02, 2023 - 1:51pm

I should have been clearer, though I don't want to say point blank, "Fields sucks" because I don't know for sure that he does. I can 100 percent believe he's made to look a lot worse because the circumstances around him are so bad. But I will come out and say, the chances he turns into a real difference maker - effectively an upper tier 3 to tier 2 player looks fairly dire at this point. Could still happen; but it seems like a long shot.

But there is more to it than that. If the Bears had been picking 9th, would I still advocate they dump Fields and take, say, Will Levis? No. Because part and parcel with Justin Fields is the fact that the Bears would have their choice of the top QB in the draft. And this draft, per the punditry, were adamant that both CJ Stroud and Bryce Young were worthy first overall picks. This isn't last year with Kenny Pickett. 

Points: 0

#127 by LondonMonarch // May 03, 2023 - 3:58pm

The punditry were far from unanimous on that (although certainly warmer than they were about last year's class!)

The other problem with taking QB this year is that you would have been putting that guy into a dumpster fire of an offense. At least now, if Fields underwhelms then whoever the QB solution is will be coming into a (more) functional offense.

Points: 1

#24 by big10freak // May 01, 2023 - 4:04pm

I liked the Packers draft.  
 

The lineman taken in the 6th round was a fun watch in the MAC.  No idea what will translate to the pros 

Points: 0

#33 by Jackson87 // May 01, 2023 - 7:00pm

It's no surprise that 170 lb. Martin Mayhew thought a 166 lb. corner was worth the 16th pick. 

Points: 1

#41 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 2:35am

A question to Chiefs' fans: is your RT Niang good enough to start for the whole year or will it be 3rd round rookie?

Points: 0

#46 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 5:56am

A question for everyone: what do you think of Texans' rebuild? They are doing "everything by the book": stripping the team of expensive parts, getting draft picks in trades, being bad for a few years, now drafting a QB and a pass rusher... recently the Jaguars and Browns and Bengals did this.

Do you prefer this way (be bad, hope for the future) or what the teams such as Seahawks, Steelers and Patriots (no rebuild, try to compete) are doing?

Points: 0

#50 by Murphquake // May 02, 2023 - 9:50am

"getting draft picks in trades"?! they could have sat at 12 and got some defensive help, maybe even traded down to the Steelers who were looking to grab the last OT on the board...

Instead they gave up their 2nd, as well as their 1st and 3rd next year (which is crazy because that first might be the first overall pick next year) to get Anderson.

They also could have traded from 12 to 6 like the Cards ended up doing, dumping that same 2nd rounder...keeping their picks next year, and getting Tyree Wilson or Jalen Carter instead of Anderson.

That 2024 Texans 1st is an unbelievable asset....

 

 

Points: 1

#55 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 10:05am

"getting draft picks in trades"?!

No, this was in years before, draft picks for Watson and other players. Multi-year rebuilding process... that is what they are doing. I asked about a broader picture, team (re)construction, not this draft or any particular draft.

Instead they gave up their 2nd, as well as their 1st and 3rd next year (which is crazy because that first might be the first overall pick next year) to get Anderson.

This is a very good point.

Points: 0

#62 by Murphquake // May 02, 2023 - 10:25am

ah right...yes the Watson trade was a good haul and the 2022 draft was solid...but they have too many holes to fill for that trade up from 12 to make any sense...

Points: 0

#67 by theslothook // May 02, 2023 - 10:29am

I don't like giving the Texans credit for trading Watson considering they found themselves in that position entirely due to idiotic decisions that ran counter to their stated objective. 

 

It would be like crediting Tom Synkowki's success to his car accident.

Points: 1

#64 by theslothook // May 02, 2023 - 10:27am

Giving the Texans an A for the draft completely misses the point. The price they paid for the third pick implies that player has to be an elite star for it be justified. I mentioned in a separate thread, unless he becomes Khalil Mack, that trade will look like a giant overpay. That would still be true even if he kind of works out and becomes Clowney.

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#66 by Murphquake // May 02, 2023 - 10:29am

Even if he's Khalil Mack...if that pick is #1 next year, it''ll look like a giant overpay

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#88 by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // May 02, 2023 - 1:17pm

That's my take as well.  If Anderson is a superstar, they paid fair price for him.  If he's anything less than a regular pro bowler, they overpaid.  This type of move would have made sense for a team with solid talent across the board in "win now" mode.  It made absolutely no sense for a team like the Texans.

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#90 by KnotMe // May 02, 2023 - 1:21pm

Agree. Giving up another first was pretty bad there. At best, they needed like a "protected pick" concept. 

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#114 by guest from Europe // May 03, 2023 - 7:42am

Apparently the Cardinals "won" their draft days trades in such a manner that they "added" a #2 pick out of nothing! Jaguars also did very well, and Texans gave away what amounts to a #2 pick in trades, see table at the end of this link

The Texans gave something in the range of #5- #11 pick to move up and draft Anderson, as decribed at the beginning of linked article.

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#59 by RickD // May 02, 2023 - 10:13am

The Patriots are doing a rebuild.  They just didn't blow things up as a step to do that. 

The Texans had the luxury of multiple high picks, thanks to the Browns.  If you have the picks, you use them. 

Most of the elite teams don't get to the top by deliberately going to the bottom first.  In the AFC at least, a small number of teams have been winning consistently for the past 20 years: Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, and wherever Peyton was at the moment. 

Building a good roster takes a while and has a lot more to do with building depth than getting a few top picks.  The teams that break through do so by getting optimal value from their picks. 

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#65 by Murphquake // May 02, 2023 - 10:28am

Don't know...doesn't feel like the Pats are doing anything different (off the field)...

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#71 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 11:13am

The Texans had the luxury of multiple high picks, thanks to the Browns.  If you have the picks, you use them. 

They had their own #2 pick, used on a QB. They had that pick because they weren't interested in winning in 2022, unlike Patriots.

They got #12 in a trade from Browns and used it in another trade to #3.

 

That's why i asked if people prefer what Texans or Patriots are doing. Call it a rebuild or something else, doesn't matter.

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#73 by theslothook // May 02, 2023 - 11:19am

In cold analytics terms, the best probabilistic path to a quick rebuild is to intentionally tank multiple seasons to acquire difference makers at QB, WR, and ER and have a clean cap sheet to sign a competent supporting cast in free agency. That is effectively what the Bengals did with Burrow and the Colts did with Manning.

 

However, that's not how the NFL works. Notice, neither the GM nor the coach of the Texans, who began the process of a teardown, actually survived the results to see it through. In fact, multiple coaches did not. This was also true for the Browns and true for the 76ers, who embarked on the longest and most flagrant tank job in league history.

 

So returning to your question, absolutely 0 coaches and GMs will take the route the Texans took.

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#81 by guest from Europe // May 02, 2023 - 12:41pm

I agree on this. This is what 2016 and 2017 Browns did and 00's Lions. They improved from horrible to wild-card or out of playoffs by drafting Mayfield/ Garrett and Suh/Stafford/Megatron. 00's Rams tried this and got Bradford. No team became a "real contender".

Bengals? I am not sure that they tanked. In 2018 they were 6-10, changed coach and their 2019 season fell appart:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Cincinnati_Bengals_season#Preseason

They were trying and losing with Dalton. They lucked into Burrow the same way the Colts lucked into Luck. Then Burrow was injured and they got Chase.

 

So returning to your question, absolutely 0 coaches and GMs will take the route the Texans took.

i was asking fans, not GMs. What do you want Colts to do? They tried to compete with Rivers and Ryan, now are in a full-teardown rebuild. Which do you prefer and for how long?

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#83 by theslothook // May 02, 2023 - 12:44pm

As a fan, I'm torn. I would probably sit Richardson the whole year, stink badly to get the first overall pick and then trade that for a kings ransom and then play Richardson in year 2.

 

However, as a fan, I don't like the idea of watching 17 miserable weeks of horrible football for yet another season. The Colts are probably going to be bad next year,  but at least Richardson gives me something to be excited about.

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#85 by IlluminatusUIUC // May 02, 2023 - 1:09pm

They were trying and losing with Dalton. They lucked into Burrow the same way the Colts lucked into Luck.

Even moreso. Luck was expected to be a generational talent from high school, same as Lawrence, and the Colts got "lucky" in that their previous generational talent QB had a severe injury that kept him out an entire year.

Burrow was a middling starter as a Junior transfer, and then *exploded* as a Senior for arguably the best CFB season of all time. At best one could claim Cincy tanked for Tua and then Burrow came out of nowhere.

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#92 by Aaron Brooks G… // May 02, 2023 - 1:24pm

This was also true for the Browns and true for the 76ers, who embarked on the longest and most flagrant tank job in league history.

That's not true. The Clippers tanked for 40 years.

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#145 by LionInAZ // May 05, 2023 - 1:20am

Not nearly as hopeless as the Washington Senators were.

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#151 by SandyRiver // May 05, 2023 - 9:09am

"First in war, first in peace, and last in the American League."

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#48 by Aaron Brooks G… // May 02, 2023 - 9:44am

I don't think defenses can solve the quarterback sneak issue with manpower, but it's interesting to watch teams and players try to address the problem.

The odd part is Dallas was actually decent at stopping it. Granted, that resulted in them completely yielding the edge, so maybe they do need the help.

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#49 by Aaron Brooks G… // May 02, 2023 - 9:47am

Lions-for-Super-Bowl early adopters

It's sad that there are any gamblers this degenerate.

In heroin terms, this is the 'shambling skeleton' stage.

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#56 by RickD // May 02, 2023 - 10:07am

Lol.  You include Jalen Ramsey to inflate the Dolphins' grade and Aaron Rodgers to the Jets grade but give the Pats a 'C-' because they "didn't address their needs."  
 

Because improving the defense isn't a need.

This is beyond ridiculous.

 

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#69 by Mike B. In Va // May 02, 2023 - 10:36am

Well, both of those moves did involve draft picks, so there's at least some relation.

 

Plus, you're talking about it, which means ad impressions, which means Mike might actually get paid!

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#89 by KnotMe // May 02, 2023 - 1:18pm

Well, the Pats are a weird case. They definitnly need WR, but are pretty much totally incapable of drafting an developing them (Belichick has only drafted 2 that could even be called non-busts in his time in NE). 

So they didn't address their need, but historically, trying to do that via draft didn't work so...it's hard to say how to grade that. We kinda did this with the Bears too. 

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#96 by SandyRiver // May 02, 2023 - 2:51pm

Mike routinely has the Pats at/near the bottom of the non-grades.  That worked pretty well last year; we'll see about 2023.

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#100 by Scott P. // May 02, 2023 - 3:47pm

Did it, though? Whether you look at just top picks or the draft as a whole, the Patriots 2022 draft is top third in terms of production. Looking at the entire draft, they got 24 AV from their class, which is 10th, tied with the Bears and ahead of the Bills, Ravens, Broncos, Eagles, and others that Tanier rated much higher in that article.

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#95 by wqd165wdq1 // May 02, 2023 - 2:04pm

Jake Moody should have been depth at receiver or on the interior offensive line, two units the 49ers didn't bother addressing, even with all of their Day 3 picks.

But the team drafted Ronnie Bell in the seventh. There are opportunities to criticize the team, but this is just untrue.

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#111 by LionInAZ // May 02, 2023 - 11:06pm

You can make a 7th round draft pick that doesn't address a real need.

True needs are addressed in the early rounds. 7th round picks are for afterthoughts, special teamers, and projects.

Points: -2

#119 by wqd165wdq1 // May 03, 2023 - 11:41am

I am not arguing against you asserting that the team could have/should have invested more in the position than they did - I am just saying that they did make an investment that is not acknowledged in this article.

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#146 by LionInAZ // May 05, 2023 - 1:35am

That is minuscule point. Only the 49ers know why they drafted this guy. The rational thinking is that they did not pick him because they expected him to contribute as a go-to receiver right away. That makes him a special teamer, a returner, or a project, which is what I said. 

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#153 by ImNewAroundThe… // May 05, 2023 - 10:41am

No it's a literal fact. They literally used a day 3 pick on a guy announced as a WR. Project or otherwise, he's a reciever from a round on day 3.

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#115 by fedetn1 // May 03, 2023 - 8:56am

"Smith is definitely the guy who orders the chicken parm at the four-star Italian bistro."

NFC South
Atlanta Falcons
Improved Roster: B-
Used Resources Well: C-
Met Needs: C
FINAL PPA: C

 

I'm afraid you're exactly right

Federico from Italy..

 

Points: 2

#124 by TomC // May 03, 2023 - 1:47pm

Points for nailing the scansion of "Turn, Turn, Turn."

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#128 by anotheroldguy // May 03, 2023 - 4:06pm

Hey Mike, I'm a little late with this, but since it's all you get: Thanks for all the unpaid work. I hope the implication that you love what you do is actually the case. I certainly enjoy reading it.

Points: 3

#131 by andrew // May 04, 2023 - 7:15am

Looks like this article will go down as Tanier's swan song with Football Outsiders.

https://twitter.com/MikeTanier/status/1653801231863693312

Points: 6

#132 by Aaron Brooks G… // May 04, 2023 - 8:21am

Looks like twitter isn’t paying its programmers at the moment.

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#133 by TomC // May 04, 2023 - 10:33am

This is so depressing. As I'm sure is the case for many of you, FO has been my go-to platform for football discussion for almost 20 years (my first post was defending Washington in the Clinton Portis / Champ Bailey trade). I hope very much that something roughly similar rises from the ashes, but right now it feels like losing a friend.

Points: 5

#168 by bravehoptoad // May 06, 2023 - 9:27am

No kidding. I've never before felt honest grief over a website. 

Where will we all go now?

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#134 by spybloom // May 04, 2023 - 10:53am

Sadly understandable with everything going on. Godspeed, Michael, I'll see you at another site.

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#136 by theslothook // May 04, 2023 - 12:53pm

Mike for a long time was my favorite writer at FO. I think, probably due to the overall circumstances, he got overstretched writing way too much content. Mike's always at his best writing about a few major thread points; injecting his charm and humour in a way that would make me jealous as a writer. 

I too will miss FO. The quality of the commenters is second to none. Note, most people here aren't the caricature of analytics that some of the nfl media bemoans. In reality, everyone here recognized that metrics serve as a supporting argument, not a mic drop. On top of that, most of the commenters took the game seriously and recognized uncertainty. There were rich debates and rich discussions. I will truly miss FO for that most of all.  

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#137 by TomC // May 04, 2023 - 4:05pm

Agreed on all counts. DVOA etc. are useful tools, and the (theoretically) paid writers are a clear notch above every other site on the internet, but the real gold here is the other users.

Points: 2

#141 by Romodini // May 04, 2023 - 7:46pm

Has Aaron confirmed that FO will be kaput this year?

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#142 by theslothook // May 04, 2023 - 8:40pm

He hasn't said anything, but the labor force is leaving. Unless he plans to write everything himself or use chat GPT to generate the content, it feels like it's only a matter of time.

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